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It has like 4 different sections. I forget what they all say verbatim.... None of them have any relevance to abortion.  They are not about giving rights to everyone...they are about restricting law enforcement.. they are specific to crime.     ...

since the people in power said so.  Dude I'm not arguing what is ethical. I don't care. the constitution is not even my sthical guide.. I'm just saying what is in there and what a valid legal argument could be.. ...

Oh. Is that all it says? I thought it said some other stuff. You sure?  ...

Negative. The 4th explicitly states that they need to obtain a warrant from some judge. And that is up to the judge.  And also it must only apply to the defendant.  My father actually defended a somewhat famous case where the police had a warrant to search a guys home who was under suspicion..and ...

You need to show me the word criminal in the 4th Amendment. It should be there, if your reading is correct.  I say the state can mind its business and not mine - ALWAYS. You say it can mind my business if it doesn't suspect me of a crime: I ONLY have 4th and 5th Amendment rights for criminal purpos...

Based on your argument, the police are perfectly within their rights to search my house - PROVIDED I am not under suspicion.  You have an EXTREMELY ill-founded and incorrect view. I can be utterly unsuspected of anything - does not destroy my fourth and fifth amendment rights. They remain intact, e...

Looks like  @Blackvegetable   ran away....

No dude. 4th and 5th only apply to rights for people who are under suspicion of breaking the law.  As long as pregnancy isn't illegal then none of this stuff applies.   I'd saymiscegenation were still illegal (as is was 200 years ago) one could argue that a woman pregnant with a mixed race fetus h...

No, the fourth COMES UP in legal cases - but it is much bigger than that.  Let's take an illegal search, for example. They toss out the evidence, right? 4th mentdment violation. But it doesn't end there. The cops can lose their qualified immunity over that ****, and have their houses taken away. Be...

the fourth is about criminal due process dude. Like you can't search people without a search warrant. **** like that..  As long as pregnancy is not a legal issue...abortion can't have anything to do with that..  If and only of being pregnant were illegal the sure I could see how the fourth is rele...